An open letter to New Mexico voters

There’s a letter going around the internet that’s an open letter to the voters of New Mexico warning them of IVAW’s Adam Kokesh. I’ll lend my voice to it. Bubba of What Bubba Knows sent it to me first – he posted it on the Gathering of Eagles website. Our buddies ConcreteBob and DanNY posted it on United Conservatives of Virginia and American Patriots Against Kokesh, respectively.

My suggestion, though is to target Kokesh’s sources of support like Stuart Rhodes of Oathkeepers, Ron Paul and Rand Paul. Kokesh’s membership in IVAW should be problematic for Oathkeepers since the IVAW is currently engaged in activities to encourage active duty members of the military to ignore their oaths of service – it seems to me that an organization called the Oathkeepers would consider that activity radioactive – but we’re not dealing with rational people here.

I’m pretty sure that Ron and Rand Paul don’t want to be associated with those activities either – although Ron Paul accepts all tainted money, apparently. I don’t thin associating himself with Kokesh would go over very well in Texas – nor would it seem a successful association in Kentucky. I’m pretty sure voters in Texas and Kentucky would be dismayed to find out that their candidates associate themselves with Kokesh who planted racist posters around GWU in an attempt to frame a student group on campus. I’m pretty sure New mexico voters don’t know about all of Kokesh’s antics either.

UPDATE: Just as I published this post, I received an email from my buddy, Bev Perlson, founder of the Band of Mothers who says she is dropping her support of the Oathkeepers for the same reasons. I hope she won’t mind me sharing a bit of her email;

Stewart Rhodes finally did show up at the booth. I would describe my conversation with Stewart as very disappointing. He said the fellow sitting at the booth was a volunteer and he had told him to take the pin off???!!!!!!!!!!!!

So taking the “Kokesh for Congress” pin off was good enough for Stewart Rhodes, President of Oathkeepers, but not for me.

I asked Stewart about Michael Maresco who told me that he was the Activist of the year for Oathkeepers and he recruited Adam Kokesh. Stewart’s answer was vague and he denied knowing Michael Maresco. Funny thing though, I had seen Maresco at the booth. I told Stewart of my personal observations of Kokesh associating with marxist groups like the SDS, Code Pink, World Can’t Wait and ANSWER, and Kokesh’s involvement in the Winter Soldier Hearings, not to mention his involvement in impeding our recruiters at recruiting stations. I told Stewart I was very disappointed in his associations with Kokesh supporters and I would inform others what I observed at the Oathkeepers booth at CPAC.

What I observed at the Oathkeepers booth at CPAC leaves me no choice but to disassociate The Band of Mothers with the Oathkeepers. The Band of Mothers do not support any groups who support Adam Kokesh or the IVAW or any groups who who impede our troops mission and discredit them in anyway. Oaths mean nothing to traitors.

Updated March 10, 2010 1800 hrs. Bev sends this response to Michael Maresco;

Michael,

The fact of this entire matter is that anyone who seriously thinks Adam Kokesh is a Republican has lost sight of reality.
Kokesh’s reputation precedes him.

I don’t lie and my reputation precedes me.

Your fantasy that my Marine friend is your friend, you are naive and almost childish. Ever hear that expression “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?”

Sorry, but Kokesh cannot get up one day and put on a suit and tie and declare himself a Republican without backlash from every Patriot who has stood against him and his Marxist friends in DC.
Enjoy your fantasyland, the rest of us will continue to fight the good fight and support our troops and we will continue to fight those who impede their efforts and mission.

Beverly Perlson
The Band of Mothers

55 Responses to “An open letter to New Mexico voters”

  1. 1
    Bubba Says:

    John,
    Thanks for the support and for pointing out the next logical step, which is shining the search light on Kokesh’s main supporters … the Paulians.

    Ron and Rand are the ones pushing this traitor’s campaign the hardest, even second place to his fellow traitors of IVAW.

    The RonPaulAid sippers are and have been of the same mindframe as Kokesh. It’s time to start addressing them as the right-wing moonbats they are, and stop ignoring them as harmless, lunatic fringe.

    By the way, Kokesh is not the only congressional candidate from the Paul Compound that are running as ‘conservative republicans’ on the reputation of the Tea Parties. Let’s start naming them too. B.J. Lawson in North Carolina for one.

  2. 2
    Jonn Lilyea Says:

    Hey, Bubba. Is this guy still running as a Republican in NC?

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    BohicaTwentyTwo Says:

    The “rooted in liberal and progressive political values” (from wiki) magazine Mother Jones has the Oath Keepers on the front cover this month. The tag line for the article is “Age of Treason: This soldier is ready to take up arms against the Obama administration. He’s not alone.” It goes on from there to paint them as the militant wing of the Tea Parties, using the usual tactics of racist allegations, etc. we see from the left all the time. It does mention their ties to Glenn Beck and Ron Paul, but it also attempts to tie them to the “anti-anti-war group” Gathering of Eagles, not to the Marxist IVAW, ANSWER or Not In Our Name.

    http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers

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    ponsdorf Says:

    I know I’m paranoid, but this reeks. Oath Keepers sure appears to be a false flag operation.

    Not unlike the Pauls but they aren’t very good at it.

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    NHSparky Says:

    Like I said, having been from there and still in touch with a lot of folks from the Four Corners area, it’s interesting to see the take on Kokesh. There are a few die-hard Ronulans who don’t understand what he’s all about (nor would they really care), but for the most part the Republicans in the 3rd CD are not about to push this guy, nor would they support him in the extremely unlikely even he wins the primary against Tom Mullins, and he won’t stand a chance against Lujan.

  6. 6
    NHSparky Says:

    ponsdorf–the Ronulans are pretty amateurish and blunt, period. Not the sort you’d expect any sort of competence from. They’re what are referred to on FR as the “100 percenters”.

  7. 7
    An Open Letter to the Voters in New Mexico | Another Voice Says:

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  8. 8
    Army Sergeant Says:

    I will respond to this later when I can do it on a keyboard.

  9. 9
    Michael Maresco Says:

    Man, you guys don’t have enough to go on without resorting to lies.

    I am the Oathkeepers _Citizen_ activist of the year. Because of that, Stewart was kind enough to allow me to distribute pure grassroots materials at their booth when we discovered there was only one left (which they grabbed). I am a grassroots activist and a “friend” of OathKeepers but in no way “officially” affiliated with the organization. Stewart is a “friend” of the grassroots, but has no opinion, that I know of, on Kokesh in particular.

    The gentleman wearing the button was one of my volunteers and was unaware of the virulence of opposition to Kokesh. He was certainly not the only person at CPAC wearing a Kokesh button. I am the one who asked him to remove his button and admit my mistake of not being more aware and sensitive to the circumstances. I apologize for _my_ mistake to any Oathkeeper. They really are doing their best to remain non-political. I would gladly have that award stripped from me rather than see a good orgs name drug through the mud.

    While I did have some productive conversations with a few of the crew, Bev remains a mystery. I am sure she started out meaning well, but she seems to have lost sight of the truth. Her recent radio interview is proof of that.

    Much seems like classic neo-con (liberal-inspired) “divide and conquer”

    It is becoming clear to me that it is not Kokesh many here hate as much as people who disagree with the neo-con foreign policy. Like it, or not, we are the New Republicans. We have the youth on our side, we have the momentum, we have the truth, we have maintained consistent principles, we are the future.

    Wars must be declared by Congress, the politicians need to get the hell out of the way, we need to let our military do it’s job, then bring them home. We need to get back the adhering to the “Just War Theory”. I believe these issues are at the heart of the tragic suicide rates (and living hell of those on the edge) we are experiencing. IMO – A systematic withdrawal of our massive overseas presence would be good for both the economy and our security, (I will argue to keep strategic bases like Diego Garcia…)

    As the CPAC Straw Poll win for Ron Paul proves, you guys need us a lot more that we need you. We are organized and growing rapidly.

    The r3VOLution is fully aware of Kokesh’s past. There have been lots of internal debates about it. We know he stepped over the line once, or twice, but also know that he is a true conservative and that “Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice, nor is moderation in defense of justice a virtue” Kokesh came back from Iraq feeling used as per Kissinger’s “military men are dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy” remark. Many people understand his passion and courage, and are willing to forgive his indiscretions. You all may not, but you do all conservatives an injustice by continuing to spread lies.

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    dutch508 Says:

    So…when you say Neo-Con are you really saying JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSS!!!!! ?

    By new Republicans do you me NAZI wanna-bes?

    When you say Ron Paul do you really me ****ing crazies?

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    NHSparky Says:

    Dear Mikey,

    Go suck a grenade.

  12. 12
    Michael Maresco Says:

    Man you guys are something else. Funny that Kokesh is Jewish…

    Those with no argument resort to name calling…

    Still waiting for someone to explain why Ron Paul got more donations from active duty troops than _all_ of the other GOP contenders _combined_

    Hmmm…

  13. 13
    NHSparky Says:

    Um, that would NOT be correct, Mikey. Asserted and disproven. Please be so kind as to abandon the old and tired (and debunked) Ronulan talking points. Kokesh doesn’t deserve the GOP nomination because he’s not a Republican, certainly not conservative, and in fact is in complete contradiction to conservative principles.

    BTW–didn’t your boy Ru Paul accept stimulus funds?

  14. 14
    ponsdorf Says:

    Dear Mikey,

    Ron Paul was booed at CPAC.

    The straw poll had less than a 30% participation according to several reports.

    Was it easy to stuff the ballot box?

    Kokesh may be a Libertarian, but I doubt he can be defined as a conservative. Hmmm, I guess you might call HIM the Neo-NeoCon?

    And it may well be accurate to call him a Republican. There ARE plenty of Republican shitheads in DC so he might fit right in at that?

    Oathkeepers huh? Shills for Paul and the likes of Kokesh by your own admission.

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    Old Tanker Says:

    Sparky….you musn’t question teh Paul……

    Michael, Stewart doesn’t appear to know you? Do I read the above correctly….you recruited Kokesh? Lost sight of the truth or are you going to call her a liar?

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    Bubba Says:

    John,

    yes, George is still running.

    I saw your post way back then and had a good chuckle over it.

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    Old Tanker Says:

    Has there ever been a poll Ron Paul lost? I remember when I could still stomach LGF that Chuckles couldn’t put up a primary poll without the Ron-alanche showing up……

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    BohicaTwentyTwo Says:

    “Still waiting for someone to explain why Ron Paul got more donations from active duty troops than _all_ of the other GOP contenders _combined_”

    And yet still only pulled about 6% of the military/veteran vote in the Primaries.

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    Michael Maresco Says:

    I was at CPAC, the reaction was mixed. The discounting of the significance of the win is funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzPf_6eNBg

    People who cut off their nose to spite their face have difficulty detecting the winds of change…

    lulz

    Kokesh is more of a paleo-con, though he really does break the mold. He is certainly a core principle conservative and has always been a republican.

    Seems to me the neo-cons(liberals)are driving the Kokesh hate because they are afraid of such a passionate, and powerful, voice for true liberty.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aewpvcxAwTk

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    dutch508 Says:

    “Still waiting for someone to explain why Ron Paul got more donations from active duty troops than _all_ of the other GOP contenders _combined_”

    still waiting for any proof other than from a ronulan web-site.

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    Michael Maresco Says:

    still waiting for any proof other than from a ronulan web-site.

    Is this site “ronulan”?

    http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/05/army_militarydonors_050408w/

    lulz

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    Jonn Lilyea Says:

    “Still waiting for someone to explain why Ron Paul got more donations from active duty troops than _all_ of the other GOP contenders _combined_”

    Funny how Ron Paul always has more of everything than anyone else – well, except actual lever pullers at the polls.

  23. 23
    dutch508 Says:

    would it be this writer?

    ‘Military Times poll: Troops backing McCain

    By Brendan McGarry – Staff writer
    Posted : Thursday Oct 9, 2008 5:44:48 EDT

    Sen. John McCain enjoys overwhelming support from the military’s professional core, a Military Times survey of nearly 4,300 readers, indicates, though career-oriented black service members strongly favored the Democratic Party candidate.

    McCain, R-Ariz., handily defeated Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., 68 percent to 23 percent in a voluntary survey of 4,293 active-duty, National Guard and reserve subscribers and former subscribers to Army Times, Navy Times, Marine Corps Times and Air Force Times.

    The results of the Military Times 2008 Election Poll are not representative of the opinions of the military as a whole. The group surveyed is older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse than the overall armed services.

    But as a snapshot of careerists, the results suggest Democrats have gained little ground in their attempts to significantly chip away at a traditionally Republican voting bloc in campaign messages and legislative initiatives, such as the recent expansion of GI Bill benefits, experts said.’

    Hmmmm….

    ‘Officers and enlisted troops, active-duty members and reservists, those who have served in combat and those who haven’t, all backed McCain by large margins, to about the same extent they supported President Bush four years ago.’

    So, in May the troops overwelmingly support the crazy dude, but in October they support McCain? I wonder why they, and me, changed their minds.

    Could it be that Dr Fruitloop was phucking crazy?

  24. 24
    dutch508 Says:

    Here, let me help you out-
    http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2007/10/the_fantasy_of_ron_pauls_milit.asp

    “Does Andrew Sullivan read stories before he comments on them? In this case, I suspect he didn’t, otherwise he’s engaging in pure military-related fantasy. In response to this article from the Houston Chronicle reporting that Ron Paul and Barack Obama lead all candidates in fund raising among “donors identified as affiliated with the military,” Sullivan headlines a post “Whom the Troops Support,” with this stunningly self-indulgent conclusion (actually this is the whole post):

    Just one indicator, of course: campaign donations from active service military members. And guess who’s first? Ron Paul. Second? Barack Obama. Those tasked to actually fighting this war get it, don’t they?

    Except this isn’t about campaign donations from “active service military members,” whatever they might be, but “donors affiliated with the military,” which Sullivan might have noticed had he slogged through the whole first sentence of the story. In fact, the first “active service military member” and Ron Paul supporter interviewed for the piece is 72-year-old Lindell Anderson, a retired Army chaplain from Fort Worth. Further, the Chron notes that the average size of Paul’s donations from this subset was $500. How many active duty soldiers are giving $500 to fringe candidates a year out from the election? Not many, I suspect. In fact, among all the candidates, the total number of contributors surveyed here numbered less than 1,000–out of an Armed Forces of 2.2 million. And, remember, most of these contributors aren’t even active duty.”

    Hmmmmm…..ronulan supports lying about ronulan supporters? Surely not!

    “So yes, Andrew, those tasked with fighting this war do get it, which is why they aren’t donating to Paul. The only real report we have on political contributions from active duty military in this election cycle has Paul taking in just over $19,000, and that’s only counting donations larger than $200. So, maximum, we’re talking about 90 active duty soldiers who we know have actually contributed to Ron Paul’s campaign. The rest is pure speculation, and the Chron’s tally of $63,440, with its average of $500 per donation, is unlikely to be populated by many of the guys who are “actually fighting this war.” But you gotta bang out 30 posts a day, right?”

    DUmbass.

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    BohicaTwentyTwo Says:

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/#TXREP

    You can check the Exit Poll data from Paul’s home state of Texas here. Veteran status is on the fifth page.

    Of the 77% who answered YES to the question “Ever Served in the Military?”

    50% voted for McCain
    38% voted for Huckabee
    5% voted for Paul
    2 voted for uncomitted

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    Michael Maresco Says:

    @OldTanker, Bev’s quoted email is unbelievable. I am just stating what I see/hear. I know her statements on the radio interview I heard a couple weeks ago were so outrageous as to suggest she has lost track of reality. I mean, she went into a fit calling Kokesh a liar about his alleged “founding” of IVAW even though _he was still fighting in Iraq_ at the time. Other things she suggested were far worse…

    Yes, I did help “Draft Kokesh”, He is a r3VOLUtionary and has the “it factor” that is quite rare. He is our edgiest candidate and we decided to run him to show that we are not afraid of running people of such courage and passion.

    You guys also need to understand that the r3VOLution is hardcore. Anyone who abandons our core principles will be abandoned forthwith. We have very diligent eyes that sniff out charlatans, Kokesh is no saint (how many Marines are?), but he is also neither a socialist, nor a neo-con. He is what we need on Capitol Hill, a strong, passionate defender of liberty.

    We believe the constitution should be followed, what is so wrong with that? We are for a strong defense, we are for a sensible foreign policy of Respect, Trade, and Friendship, we believe terrorists can be eliminated with special forces and there is no need for entangling our military in no-win endless wars that kill and maim or troops, deplete our treasury, and makes us LESS safe.

    War grows gov’t and curtails liberty. All conservatives should consider the use of war very carefully. The Iraq war was sold on misinformation, that is a fact. Bush was responsible for the largest growth of Gov’t since LBJ, (Of course, Obama is the worst of the lot…)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ur9Pe42jCM

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    1stCavRVN11B Says:

    Maresco

    Why don’t you just go back to playing your ukulele and riding your bike. If Kokesh was recruited by you into OK, well…

    Oh yeah, there is a known wannabe in OK state leadership been waiting to out for false military claims. Seems he claimed to be wounded at the Kohbar Towers, but records indicate he never left the states in his 6 weeks of total service.

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    Michael Maresco Says:

    @Jonn, I understand the disgust with members of IVAW, some truly are despicable. Kokesh stood out because he is a strong, articulate leader. I stand firm in my knowledge that Kokesh was the token right-winger conservative and that many were pretty moderate, (a few even right leaning…). I am not defending the despicable, but will defend the right to free speech.

    and the fact that Ron Paul continues to win his elections in TX-14 indicates people that _do_ “pull levers” for him, (those that _know_ him without the media bias.)

    @1stCavRVN11B – Kokesh is not a member of OK, I helped draft him to run for Congress… OK is a growing org and bound to suffer growing pains, I wonder about those who attack it and if they are affiliated with the SPLC (The Hate Group to End All Hate Groups), and the left in general. Kokesh gets attacked by extremists on both sides. That is a plus…

    I dream of going back to Kauai and playing my Uke. I cannot do that while we have an honest to g-d opportunity to return Constitutional Conservatism to the forefront of American Politics. I am committed to returning to the Rule of Law. I feel it is duty.

  29. 29
    SFReeper.com— “Living Oxygen Thief”: Right-Wing Blogosphere Freaks Out About Adam Kokesh Says:

    [...] funny-haha, though.Joining the fray are a slew of ultra-conservative, pro-military blogs, including This Ain’t Hell, What Bubba Knows—which posts a tally of people “murdered” by Islam and global [...]

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    ponsdorf Says:

    Great job Jonn!

    You the bag ‘o shit and threw it on the porch.

    Now WE get to watch the nitwits trying to stomp it out.

    Thanks

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    Frankly Opinionated Says:

    Anything Ponsdorf says really well is worth saying twice! Love the shitbag analogy. Did the shitbag thing 3 times in my youth; every time to someone who overwhelmingly deserved it.

    Nuf Sed

  32. 32
    Michael Maresco Says:

    The local Santa Fe article linked above is evidence of why these attacks will end up helping us. People who don’t know the demographics should really be careful about things like this. (Unlike Scott Brown, at least Kokesh will never vote for an unconstitutional bill…) We are the only wing of the GOP that is consistently growing the party and Reagan’s 80/20 rule contains wisdom. As a whole, the r3VOLution does allow some leeway in our candidates positions…

    On another note, I read Bev’s entire posting. She continues to misreport facts. In fact, I introduced myself to the Marine Colonel and he then introduced me to Bev… Futher, the volunteer would never have introduced himself as an OK volunteer and we were all very clear about our status there

    http://washingtonindependent.com/77260/ron-paul-win-shows-ideological-hardening-ahead-of-2010

    “Oath Keepers, a year-old coalition of right-wing military veterans, helped distribute copies of the Paul documentary — a favor to Paul activist Michael Moresco, who had won the organization’s “citizen activist of the year” award for biking from the Statue of Liberty to Alcatraz Prison. “It’s the direction I think this country’s headed,” said Moresco.”

    (yes, he got my name wrong…)

    The telling thing is that by the end of the conference the Col and I got along just fine, and he complimented me by stating he would be fine standing shoulder to shoulder with me “behind the wall”.

    Again, I am not asking for people to forgive Kokesh. I am asking that the attacks at least be factual. Kokesh never incited, condoned, nor participated, in any violence against military personnel or facilities. Other inaccuracies have already been addressed (and ignored)…

    The GOP establishment wing has a choice, stick with the progressive neo-con dinosaurs, or embrace the new bull-elephant represented by the r3VOLution. Many thought we would wither and die after 08, CPAC has proved them very wrong…

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    NHSparky Says:

    Hey, Mikey–you might want to get your fellow Ronulans to call our employers and complain how “mean” we are to them, as one did to me in 2008. Seems she tried to get me fired from my job by claiming I “threatened” her when in fact no such thing took place.

    So as far as I’m concerned, ya’ll can stick your dicks in a light socket.

  34. 34
    UpNorth Says:

    So, Mikey, something we agree on, “Other inaccuracies have already been addressed (and ignored)…”, which translates to, if anything comes up about Kokesh, cover our ears, scream LA-LA-LA-LA as loud as we can, and threaten to hold our breath. You’re delusional, Mikey, but it’s understandable.
    All you do is denigrate, deny, lie and obfuscate. So, keep on, keeping on, there. I’m sure that when the head Paulistinian accomplishes what he accomplished the last time around, you’ll burst with pride. Maybe you and Adam can go the fridge and have a glass of wine. Just make sure you pour, and it’s from a bottle, not a jar.

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    ponsdorf Says:

    Well Mikey, you are welcome to your wishful thinking. There is something to be said for remaining an optimist in the face of the facts. Even if you choose to ignore them.

    That something is a bit less self-aggrandizing than you might like, but what the hell.

    “Lay On McDuff, and damn’d be him that first cries, ‘Hold, enough!” There’s always room for self righteous indignation.

    And anyway, clowns are fun too.

  36. 36
    SassySuz Says:

    Michael Maresco is the punk who insulted the Marine Major in Bev’s Letter. what an ass wipe clown

  37. 37
    VanZorge Says:

    i think that mikey has a man crush on kokesh

  38. 38
    SassySuz Says:

    So Kokesh is a tail gunner?

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    Mike bradley Says:

    Now let me get this streight– Micheal take a deep breath– explain a couple of things so us OLD VETS DON’T GET CONFUSED! from your words

    1 kokesh hangs out with people like I understand the disgust with members of IVAW, some truly are despicable.

    LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I SEE HERE—- BULLSHIT–
    If you tell me you are a Nam Vet you damn sure better be– I will figure out your FAKE ASS in a second and shame on you!

    2 Kokesh hangs out with Ivaw guys like Jessie Mcbeth and they trick him and are not Iraq vets– BULLSHIT

    3 You claim kokesh is very intelegent—- he couldnt figure this out, the reality is that MacBeth washed out of basic training, then pepetrated fraud in an attempt to gain VA benefits, moved on to launch his brief “I’m a war criminal” career, and found a welcome reception from the Iraq Veterans Against the War.
    It is hard to fool a vet who has been there and done that

    once again BULLSHIT

    Michael you stand a better chance of peeing up a wet rope than trying to fool us OLD VET’S WHO MIGHT GET CONFUSED— Advice to you

    I dream of going back to Kauai and playing my Uke.

    Planes leave everyday and I get tired of typing the word BULLSHIT FOR YOU

    MIKE BRADLEY
    US NAVY VIETNAM

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    Old Tanker Says:

    Mike is still here spewing more shit than a GI in Mexico eating tacos and drinking the water, now that’s what you call ass-matter……

  41. 41
    Mike bradley Says:

    Tanker– where do these fools come from and what rock did they crawl out of— Damn I get tired of them. I think Michael needs a real job. Trying to fool us and talk crap don’t get it

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    Debra Says:

    Michael, don’t take the insults too personally. Ironically, though, I can sympathize with folks like NHSparky and his very bad experience with a Paulian. Speaking as a libertarian with long and deep roots going back the past couple decades – and an admirer of Ron Paul long before the majority of Americans ever even heard of him, I am aware that many of the Paulians (and I do not consider myself to be a Paulian; that name is reserved only for people who were not libertarians first) are a completely different crowd than the libertarian intellectual circles I have known and have roots in. I had my own bad run-in with one of the Paulians several years ago. As a recent convert to Paulism, she went totally berserk on me, screeching at me (via both phone and email) — someone she never even met other than through the phone and internet and a couple of mutual acquaintances – with all kinds of terrible accusations that I must be trying to subvert the antiwar movement and the Ron Paul campaign, all because I attempted to help her out by editing and correcting a very poorly written article of hers which I happened to know was full of factual inaccuracies pertaining to some military conscientious objection type of stuff, and I was trying to help her avoid embarrassment. Apparently she didn’t take kindly to my efforts to help her and completely flipped out on me after I had expended a great deal of time and energy. At her insistence that the article be published in the factually inaccurate, grammatically incorrect, amateur mess that she submitted it, I washed my hands of the whole affair and just made sure that my name would not be connected with it in any manner.

    That is a sketchy overview of the incident and lacking in details, but the point is, some of the very passionate followers and supporters of Ron Paul are, honestly, so clueless, so lacking in the social graces and reasoning ability, and so damn annoying, it is little wonder others have come to revile them – including folks who might otherwise have been Ron Paul supporters, too. (I am personally secure in enough in my own convictions that I am not swayed by the bad representation of some of his followers.)

    I have other stories, too, but that is enough… So somehow I wound up here on TAH… with a bunch of antagonistic military vets and active duty who, as far as I’ve ever been able to tell, are hostile toward everyone they encounter outside their own circle, and are mostly far-right wing neo-cons who do not know there is a difference between a neo-con and a true conservative.

    I await the onslaught of insults with bated breath…

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    Army Sergeant Says:

    Michael, you are absolutely right that there are many conservative and moderate voices in IVAW. They often aren’t acknowledged by sites that have a lot vested in tearing them down, but it’s true.

    My real question here is: how can the Oath Keepers support Kokesh while tearing down Orseke? And if they have changed their stance on IVAW, where is the public retraction?

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    Mike bradley Says:

    JANE FONDA IVAW AND THE FTA AND KOKESH

    For years she has distanced herself from her radical past, and FTA, which she co-produced, has been out of circulation for more than three decades.—-

    American Cinematheque in Los Angeles and the IFC Center in New York, where Fonda appeared as part of a fund-raiser for Iraq Veterans Against the War. T…he film also screens on the Sundance Channel this week. Two other artifacts of Fonda’s radical period have been issued on DVD in recent years.

    http://www.ivaw.org/node/787

    CUT AND PASTE AND SEE KOKESH TAKING A PLAY FROM FONDA FTA—- MICHEAL WHO PAID FOR KOKESH TICKET——A.N.S.W.E.R. OR FONDA?

    MICHEAL YOUR TURN– JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION!

    MIKE BRADLEY
    US NAVY VIETNAM

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    LL Says:

    Just an FYI, Kokesh has agreed to be interviewed with CJ, Marcus, and Troy on the Youserved Podcast next Thursday. Should be interesting.

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    Beverly Perlson Says:

    Michael,

    The fact of this entire matter is that anyone who seriously thinks Adam Kokesh is a Republican has lost sight of reality.
    Kokesh’s reputation precedes him.

    I don’t lie and my reputation precedes me.

    Your fantasy that my Marine friend is your friend, you are naive and almost childish. Ever hear that expression “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?”

    Sorry, but Kokesh cannot get up one day and put on a suit and tie and declare himself a Republican without backlash from every Patriot who has stood against him and his Marxist friends in DC.

    Enjoy your fantasyland, the rest of us will continue to fight the good fight and support our troops and we will continue to fight those who impede their efforts and mission.

    Beverly Perlson
    The Band of Mothers

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    ViperAsh50 Says:

    Michael you need to wake up..Protesting wars with troops in the field is traitorous, it does nothing but get more young Americans killed. Your man crush Adam Kokesh is to Iraq war vets what John Kerry is to Vietnam vets. He like Kerry wants to tout that he is a war veteran, but both have records of “giving aid and comfort to the enemy” by slandering their fellow veterans while they were still fighting. Believe me when I say this…Kokesh will not win any seat in congress the ball is rolling, and he’s standing right in front of it.

    http://vietnam-veterans.us/youtube/stolenhonor.html

    “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclination, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” –John Adams

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    streetsweeper Says:

    MichaelM is only good for a few comments. I equate him to a “drive by shooter”….”drive by commentator”.

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    Michael Maresco Says:

    @StreetSweeper, I have little time for this, but do see the google alerts so will occasionally drop in…

    @Bev, your reply above is another indication of you reading/hearing what you want to hear, and not the reality of what was actually said. I was not presumptuous enough to call the Col a “friend” and merely stated the truth, that we got along just fine. I actually don’t think you “lie” on purpose, I just suspect you have lost touch with reality. There are just so many misrepresentations you can state before you lose credibility, in all but your own circles…

    @Army Sargent. Thanks for the respectful question. OK does not support Kokesh, (nor is it affiliated with IVAW.) The Kokesh thing is MY fault for not being aware that my volunteer was wearing a K4C button while sitting at the OK booth. Again, I apologize to any Oathkeepers for MY mistake.

    @Debra, much respect for keeping a presence here. I know exactly how you feel about the fringe elements in the “Big Tent for Small Government” that rose around RP08. While all groups have their fringe, some of those in the r3VOLution certainly take the cake. I suppose I would have to be a Paulian, because I have always voted republican on downticket races (and have NEVER voted for a Dem)

    @MikeBradley, I’ve been a fisherman on the Alaskan Salmon Fleet, an officer on a private Square Rigged Ship and was High Rigger in Hawaii, before seeing the grassroots begin to rise. Since then I have done more to wake the sleeping giant than many could imagine. My current “job” is restoring Constitutional Conservatism and fighting real enemies of America, any way I can.

    @SassySuz, you guys seem to like to play “telephone”, the stories get more and more outrageous as they spread… I never insulted the Colonel, nor any member of the service (to my knowledge) you are barking up the wrong tree here.

    Ain’t politics fun?

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    Debra Says:

    Michael,

    Well, my definition of “Paulian” is not really cut and dried, LOL. I just dislike the term, is all, as I would any identifying term named after a person. And it’s odd to me because it’s usage is new, yet I am not a new admirer or supporter of Ron Paul. I feel no differently now about Ron Paul than I have for many years — that is,I think he’s awesome; best congressman and statesman in DC in my lifetime, as well as a wonderful role model for young people. And it’s wonderful to see things happening now, and a little bit amazing, too, but this “Paulian” term just didn’t fit my style. However, I do sometimes see other long-term libertarians use the term with ease, apparently without discomfort, so it is not a universal thing. But also I see the term being used in a derogatory manner…a little bit like being a Christian when you’re surrounded by atheists… (another fact of my life in many respects).

    As for having always voted Republican, I have always voted Republican myself in the absence of a Libertarian to vote for (or if for some reason I particularly dislike a given Libertarian who’s on the ticket, or if I’m choosing to vote an issue rather than the person), but I can’t think of any time I’ve ever voted Democrat, except when I was 18 and didn’t know any better…

    Actually, a plus of the r3VOLution, I’ve seen it turn a person completely around politically, from liberal politics to conservative/libertarian politics. There’s something very gratifying about bearing witness to that kind of thing. :-)

    I’m not really disturbed by fringe elements per se. I enjoy even very eccentric people if they are creative and intelligent; it’s more a matter of respect and courtesy, which is by no means a problem unique to, or even particularly prevalent in, the fringe elements of a movement or in any segment of society. But lack of courtesy and acknowledgement and connection can be really disturbing sometimes though, especially when you’re really trying to make an effort to connect and communciate. Of course, it abounds amongst conformists, but then, you expect that kind of abuse in those circles, so it doesn’t seem to feel as disturbing.

    Thank you for your acknowledgement of my continuing to keep a presence here . I’m not the only one, actually…though I might be the only one getting the amount of abuse that I get here. (Apparently I fail the muster in every respect – not only am I a libertarian, God forbid, I’m also against the war. That’s grounds right there there for complete and total ostracization here at TAH…)

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    UpNorth Says:

    Ever think it might be that you take 1000 words to say what could be said in 40? Just askin’, Deb.

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    Debra Says:

    I need an editor.

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    Rancher Says:

    No respectable American/conservative would dare hold an American flag upside down. His smears against the Young America’s Foundation and David Horowitz were also pretty despicable. But the most disgusting and I think traitorous act was reading this to our troops in Germany.
    “If any of you should decide to leave the Army while in Germany and throw down your arms, the people of Ansbach will support you and do our best to provide you with aid, comfort, and sanctuary.”
    I actually wonder if his objective is to get Lujan reelected.

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